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	<title>Comments on: Music Understanders Report In!</title>
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	<description>A beginners guide to classical music, by someone who switched at 23</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jodru</title>
		<link>http://classicalconvert.com/2008/03/music-understanders-report-in/#comment-2802</link>
		<dc:creator>jodru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can tell by listening. 

You could too, with a little practice!</description>
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<p>You could too, with a little practice!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://classicalconvert.com/2008/03/music-understanders-report-in/#comment-2758</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha! Thankyou very much jodru! :)  I'm curious, could you tell that just from listening to it or do you have a copy of the score?

Andy, I see where you are coming from, but for me understanding (or poorly attempting to understand) these nitty-gritty little musical details is absolutely fascinating. I don't think they are necessary for the appreciation of music at all -- after all, I can enjoy the section without knowing the details of it's construction -- but for me these snippets of theory are fascinating and add a layer of intrigue to it all.

cswingle, nice review. I'll keep my eye out for the Copland book in particular. I think I remember reading a recommendation of that somewhere else as well. It's a bit frustrating "sort of" understanding the theoretical ideas (forms, keys, dissonances, etc.) without really being able to read through a score quicker than about a measure every five minutes. For me anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha! Thankyou very much jodru! <img src='http://classicalconvert.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m curious, could you tell that just from listening to it or do you have a copy of the score?</p>
<p>Andy, I see where you are coming from, but for me understanding (or poorly attempting to understand) these nitty-gritty little musical details is absolutely fascinating. I don&#8217;t think they are necessary for the appreciation of music at all &#8212; after all, I can enjoy the section without knowing the details of it&#8217;s construction &#8212; but for me these snippets of theory are fascinating and add a layer of intrigue to it all.</p>
<p>cswingle, nice review. I&#8217;ll keep my eye out for the Copland book in particular. I think I remember reading a recommendation of that somewhere else as well. It&#8217;s a bit frustrating &#8220;sort of&#8221; understanding the theoretical ideas (forms, keys, dissonances, etc.) without really being able to read through a score quicker than about a measure every five minutes. For me anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: jodru</title>
		<link>http://classicalconvert.com/2008/03/music-understanders-report-in/#comment-2752</link>
		<dc:creator>jodru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 21:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are very close. The first version is in A minor. The melody descends C-B-A-E-D-C-B-A. In the second, it's all the same notes except that second C is raised, to emulate a major key: C-B-A-E-D-C#-B-A. 

Good ear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are very close. The first version is in A minor. The melody descends C-B-A-E-D-C-B-A. In the second, it&#8217;s all the same notes except that second C is raised, to emulate a major key: C-B-A-E-D-C#-B-A. </p>
<p>Good ear!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://classicalconvert.com/2008/03/music-understanders-report-in/#comment-2750</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have more or less given up on understanding the technicalities of music.  I recognize key changes are critically important, but I am now content to find a passage 'ridiculously satisfying' and noticing a key change of some sort, but I have no need to learn that Mahler has modulated from A to C minor instead of to G as he did earlier, which is significant because C minor is related to the tonic and he has used a minor triad chord in the Dorian mode which of course represented death and despair to the ancient greeks.  Or something like that.

I don't mean to criticize - but for me, I've attained a level of general knowledge of the forms and history of music, and have reached the point of diminishing returns in trying to go any deeper.  I still always read the booklet notes, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have more or less given up on understanding the technicalities of music.  I recognize key changes are critically important, but I am now content to find a passage &#8216;ridiculously satisfying&#8217; and noticing a key change of some sort, but I have no need to learn that Mahler has modulated from A to C minor instead of to G as he did earlier, which is significant because C minor is related to the tonic and he has used a minor triad chord in the Dorian mode which of course represented death and despair to the ancient greeks.  Or something like that.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to criticize - but for me, I&#8217;ve attained a level of general knowledge of the forms and history of music, and have reached the point of diminishing returns in trying to go any deeper.  I still always read the booklet notes, though.</p>
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		<title>By: cswingle</title>
		<link>http://classicalconvert.com/2008/03/music-understanders-report-in/#comment-2749</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

I'm struggling with the same things you are: I'm trying to "understand" classical music, and without much of a music education, it's difficult to say more than "I like this" or "I don't like this".  I recently bought Aaron Copland's book "What to Listen for in Music", as well as a couple Bernstein books.  Copland's book is really good, and even though I can't read music, I understood a lot of what he was trying to explain.  Less so in the Bernstein books, but there's still a lot of good material that I did understand even though I felt like I was only scratching the surface of what he was explaining.  All of these books are quite old, so are easy to find used, or in cheap reprints.  I've got a review of the Copland book on my &lt;a href="http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~cswingle/blog/" rel="nofollow"&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt;, if you're curious.

Cheers,

cswingle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m struggling with the same things you are: I&#8217;m trying to &#8220;understand&#8221; classical music, and without much of a music education, it&#8217;s difficult to say more than &#8220;I like this&#8221; or &#8220;I don&#8217;t like this&#8221;.  I recently bought Aaron Copland&#8217;s book &#8220;What to Listen for in Music&#8221;, as well as a couple Bernstein books.  Copland&#8217;s book is really good, and even though I can&#8217;t read music, I understood a lot of what he was trying to explain.  Less so in the Bernstein books, but there&#8217;s still a lot of good material that I did understand even though I felt like I was only scratching the surface of what he was explaining.  All of these books are quite old, so are easy to find used, or in cheap reprints.  I&#8217;ve got a review of the Copland book on my <a href="http://people.iarc.uaf.edu/~cswingle/blog/" rel="nofollow">blog</a>, if you&#8217;re curious.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>cswingle</p>
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